Sen. Jim Webb: War Won Now End Occupation

President Bush went prime time to tell the American people why the Democrats have ruined his plans for Iraq. In a video response, Sen. Jim Webb laid out the reality of the situation that the President seems determined to ignore (transcript) (hat tip GregP dKos).

The war was won years ago. What has failed is the naive effort by the Bush Administration to attempt to transform a hostile, well-armed society that sees our troops as soldiers against Islam. President Bush is trying to transform the Iraqi culture and society at the point of a gun. Perhaps a great President surrounded by great advisors, respected statesmen, and talented diplomats could have worked that wonder but Bush and his incompetent team have failed miserably. Further, they've failed beyond any hope of repair using the blunt tool that is the blood of U.S. servicemen.

The war was won but the experiment in nation building by inept, brutal fools needs to be put to an end. It's time to close the book on the Iraq Occupation and bring our servicemen home.

Jim Webb sees this and is blunt and honest in laying out the facts for the nation. From his response:

"We won this war four years ago. The question is when we end the occupation."

Webb's statement is brief so I'll reprint it here in full:

"Congress exercised its constitutional responsibility this week by appropriating more than $100 billion to fully support our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. Today, the President chose not to cash that check. It is up to him to explain to the American people why.

"We won this war four years ago. The question is when we end the occupation. This bill called for a much-needed shift in our approach to Iraq. The United States military is not going to change the societal makeup of Iraq. And the Malaki government is not going to bring peace among Iraq's competing factions without the strong, overt, diplomatic cooperation of other countries in this region. And this bill called for just an approach.

"I have always said that we need to support the troops through leadership that is equal to the sacrifices we are asking them to make. It is time for a new approach in Iraq, one that displays smart diplomatic leadership in the region. We must bring this occupation to a proper conclusion that will increase our ability to focus on international terrorism, increase the stability in the region and allow us to focus on our strategic interests elsewhere in the world."

Webb is showing the way with his framing of the Iraq Conflict as no longer a war but instead as an occupation. Democrats have been inconsistent in hammering this point home but it is the utter truth of the matter. What we are engaged in now is a indeed a military conflict but continuing to refer to it as a war obscures the central point that we no longer are fighting an organized state but are instead trying to subdue and control a population. Unfortunately, a majority of that population is firmly against our continued presence.

Democrats now recognize that with the will of the Iraqi people firmly against our presence in their country we won't be able to impose our political will in Iraq. Our military certainly cannot achieve the political goal of establishing an Iraqi government of a form chosen by the United States. That's beyond our capabilities given the reality that the Sunni and Shiite Iraqi factions are powerful and are determined to fight a guerilla effort as long as we stay in Iraq, their home.

Especially in a city the size of Baghdad, but also in other cities in Iraq what we are facing isn't jungle warfare and it's not desert warfare. It's urban warfare that requires cooperation from the populace to have any hope of progess. Rooting out combatants in a city of millions cannot possibly be accomplished by the forces we have in the region. We have few friends and few of our forces even speak the language. Yet Bush "soldiers" on. He stays the course while our troops continue to die by 5s, 10s, and 20s, and while Iraqi combatants and civiilans continue to die by the hundreds and by the thousands.

Jim Webb has laid it out for America. It's time for the Congress to make the President listen. President Bush must change course and take the steps that Webb has laid out so succinctly. It's time for the diplomats and the negotiators to do their work so that our troops can stand down.



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Re: Sen. Jim Webb: War Won Now End Occupation (none / 0)

Jim Webb proved himself 100% badass when he did his response to the State of the Union address.  When this guy talks about Iraq, you know he means it.  (Being one of how few congresspeople that have a son or daughter in Iraq?)

Glad to see he's making himself heard.  


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Tue May 01, 2007 at 10:11:04 PM EST

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When you look at what that small margin of victory in Virginia has meant it's pretty stunning. If Allen wins he's a presidential contender right now, perhaps even the front runner. But instead, Allen loses and Jim Webb is unleashed to become a powerful voice of opposition to President Bush and his assemblage of incompetents. Accompanying the elevation of Webb is the also important fact that a powerful Republican was sent home and hasn't been heard from at a national level ever since.

Jim Webb's voice was amplified a thousand times and George Allen's was muted almost to nothingness. What's the saying? Elections have consequences? Yes they do!


by Curt Matlock on Tue May 01, 2007 at 10:52:53 PM EST
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I really really really hate to say this.  I'm afraid Allen is going to try and make a comeback.  He hasn't announced ANYthing and he raised over 80,000 dollars in Quarter 1.  What does that mean?  It could mean nothing, but I don't think he is gone for good.  


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Tue May 01, 2007 at 10:56:25 PM EST
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George Allen (none / 0)

I think you are right. I don't expect him to just fade away either. I'm sure he'll try to make a comeback in some fashion but for 2008 he is out of the picture thank goodness.


by Curt Matlock on Wed May 02, 2007 at 07:46:29 AM EST
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100% spot on


by serge in dc on Wed May 02, 2007 at 12:13:03 AM EST

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I think this is a terrific frame for Democrats to use to really put the president in a corner.

Thoughts on that?  Are there flaws in that strategy?


Tim Wolfe

John McCain is not pro-choice!

by bruorton on Wed May 02, 2007 at 11:33:28 AM EST

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I think it's perfect.  

If I were one of the leading Democrats I would push three bills and just keep sending them back to Bush.

  1. Funding + Timetable Requirements
  2. Funding + Timetable Goals
  3. Funding + Last funding bill Bush gets

If Bush says "They're undermining our generals," or "They're undermining our soldiers!"

Democrats reply "We're not the ones who started a poorly managed war.  We're not the ones who let the quality of veterans care deteriorate.  We're not the ones who have tried to undercut funding for veterans.  We are stopping you from making the same mistakes with a mismanaged war policy, and foreign policy.  Baghdad has 7.4 million people.  Adding 10,000 soldiers will not make a difference."


by JeremiahTheMessiah on Wed May 02, 2007 at 04:38:43 PM EST
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I think this is a terrific frame for Democrats to use to really put the president in a corner.

Thoughts on that?  Are there flaws in that strategy?

After reading Jonathon Chait's putdown of frames and memes I'm hesitant to talk about frames for fear of being accused of propagandizing ... but yes I do think this it is not only a good frame but it is more accurate to refer to the current state of the conflict in Iraq as the Iraq Occupation instead of the Iraq War. The United States destroyed the Iraqi military and won the war. What we are unable to do now is to "win" the Iraq Occupation.

How do you "win" an occupation? Republicans want to talk about "losing" and "defeat" but those terms have lost their meaning in a military sense regarding Iraq. The truth is that we won the war but then proceeded to completely screw up the post-war period. Our political goals haven't been met because of the incompetence of our leadership in the post-war period. Since winning the war President Bush, the Republican Party, and a few Democrats have seemingly done everything possible to convince the Iraqi people that we hate them and hate their religion. The military can't possibly salvage that political reality now.

I've spent a bit of time looking for the downside in emphasizing that occupations can't be won with bullets but I haven't come up with any big risks for Democrats in framing the issue that way.


by Curt Matlock on Wed May 02, 2007 at 01:50:31 PM EST

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This is absolutely the right frame, the accurate context. Use it, use it, use it!


by CeeCee34 on Wed May 02, 2007 at 03:30:51 PM EST

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I watch this video and think, "Gee, I wish Webb was president!"

He's not the Clintonesque, I-feel-your-pain emapathetic type and never will be. He's not a glad handler or a back slapper, and that's one reason the Virgina election was so close. But dammed if he doesn't have the smarts and policy and honorable sincerity to get the approval of most of the nation.


by billybob on Wed May 02, 2007 at 03:47:26 PM EST


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